IN COLD BLOOD
came to Dubai when I was with Dawood’
colleagues, Dawood IBrahim and Chhota Rajan are today waging a war for
control of the Mumbai underworld. Rajan was once lynchpin of D-Company;
today he is one of the tools Indian intelligence uses to strike at the
Dawood empire. In an exclusive telephone interview from somewhere in Europe,
Chhota Rajan reveals how Salman Khan lunched with Dawood
in his presence and goes on to claim that Bharat Shah (acquitted on this
specific charge) was a front for Dawood’s money. Repeatedly invoking
the ‘national interest’ to justify his actions, he also admits
to his close linkages with India’s Intelligence Bureau. Excerpts:
the outset, what do you know about Salman Khan’s links with the
underworld. In a conversation with Aishwarya Rai, he claims to know Dawood
IBrahim, Chhota Shakeel and you. He has named you too in the tape.
In 1992, before the Mumbai bomb blasts took place, when I was still with
Dawood, Salman had come to Dubai. Dawood invited him home for lunch. He
came to Dawood’s house where he met me also.
What was the conversation over lunch?
It was a normal discussion. Salman had lunch and left. There was a heroine
with him also but I don’t want to name her. Ask Salman who she was.
Is he still in touch with you or Dawood?
I don’t know if they are still in contact. Salman only met me at
that time. After that he has neither spoken to me nor was there such a
situation. It is wrong on Salman’s part to descrIBe Dawood, a traitor,
as his elder brother. He was in touch with Dawood at that time. There
is no doubt about that, we all had met him.
To what extent does the underworld finance movies?
To tell you the truth, Salman’s movie Chori Chori Chupke Chupke,
which was financed by Bharat Shah, was all Dawood’s money. Shakeel
was also involved.
Which other films have been financed by underworld?
The finances were all being routed through Bharat Shah.
Have you also
financed any movie?
tell you the truth, Salman’s movie ‘Chori Chori Chupke
Chupke’, which was financed by Bharat Shah, was all Dawood’s
money. Chhota Shakeel was also involved’
No, I have not financed any film.
So, you have no links in film industry…
No, I have nothing to do with it.
That’s not true. Isn’t it because there are
reports here that you called Ram Gopal Varma, the director of d?
I had spoken to Ram Gopal Varma only to tell him to not glorify a traitor
like Dawood. I wanted to know why he was making a film on a deshdrohi. Varma
told me that he had made a commercial film and that the main character of
the film is not really Dawood, but a Hindu character.
Do you have any idea where Dawood is now? You must be keeping an
eye on each other.
He is sitting in Karachi. He is sitting there cosy and comfortable with
the ISI’s help.
There are reports that his daughter is marrying Javed Miandad’s
Yes, the marriage has already taken place and the reception is being held
on July 22.
The Dawood camp has actually managed to pump bullets into you and
kill many from your gang. Is he the stronger don?
It is not the question of being stronger. He has the support of an entire
country, of the Pakistani establishment. I have no such support, even the
Mumbai Police doesn’t support me. Even a Bharat Shah, who finances
films with underworld money, has status and contacts. I operate differently.
I kill in the national interest. In India’s interest. I killed the
Nepal mp Dilshad Beg, who was a big ISI agent. That helped India. I killed
Sharad Shetty, Dawood’s close associate. That also helped India.
Dawood’s gang is quite active even though he is holed up in
Pakistan. Is he still ruling Mumbai?
No, it is not like this. We have damaged him to a large extent.
What about your dhanda? How do you remote control it?
(Laughs) What is our business, only buying and selling land in Mumbai city.
It is said that, you kill and extort…
Some people must be doing it in my name but there is no truth in it, I don’t
go asking for money.
Whenever there is talk of the underworld, two names are mentioned,
Dawood’s and yours... Through what activities do you maintain your
People buy and sell land and if there is a dispute, I get it settled.
That means you are land mafia.
Land mafia! No, I don’t grab land.
One of your associates, Vicky, was apprehended recently. He was
in the company of a senior Intelligence Bureau officer. You obviously have
links with intelligence agencies.
There is no dearth of patriots in this country. Difficulties (Vicky’s
arrest) are encountered even when we intend doing something good for the
So you do have
links with the IB. Are you providing them information about the D company?
had spoken to Ram Gopal Varma only to tell him to not glorify a
traitor like Dawood. I wanted to know why he was making a film on
We help a lot. Not only Dawood, there are other problems also, but I don’t
want to talk about it. It will only alert the enemy. There are other problems
concerning the country which we want to resolve. If we do it together it
will be easier to handle. Together, we can do a lot of things.
Which problems are you talking about?
No, I don’t want to disclose it. There are some problems.
Recently, there was an attack in Ayodhya. Are you talking about
No, at this stage I don’t want to say anything. I don’t want
to comment on this.
Does Dawood have links with terrorist organisations? He has been in Pakistan
for years where a lot of terrorist organisations are headquartered.
Yes, he has links with all kinds of terrorist organisations.
Which all terrorist organisations is he related to? Al-Qaeda? Hizbul?
Lashkar-e-ToIBa? Harkat? Which all?
He has links with all these organisations and more.
Pakistanis are now believed to be behind the London attacks…
I’m not sure if Dawood knew about the London blasts but I am sure
that he is in someway linked to whatever is happening in India.
Do you mean the Ayodhya attack?
I think finance-wise.
Why is it that Dawood is seen to be representing Muslims and you
are seen as a Hindu supporter?
No, the question doesn’t arise. There is no question of Hindus and
Muslims. I am a Hindustani and there are many Muslims in my gang.
But you left
Dawood because of the blasts and the subsequent riots.
from at least two political parties have links with Dawood Ibrahim
and so does the Mumbai Police’
Of course, we had separated because of blasts only.
These blasts created a rift between Hindus and Muslims.
But many Muslims are patriots.
If you are such a Hindustani as you claim to be and even justify
murder as being in the national interest, why are you in hiding?Why
don’t you come back?
I would like to come back provided I get full support from the government.
Dawood should be killed.
But you have the support of the IB.
I should get support from all quarters, some support me and some are against.
If I have majority support, I will do something, I will do wonders, will
do it early and come back.
The Indian agencies had helped you escape from the hospital in
Nobody helped me.
That is a lie. The papers for your extradition were delayed.
I don’t know what happened but papers did come later.
By that time you had escaped, it helped you.
Yes, this delay helped me.
But how did you escape?
(Laughs) I climbed down from the seventh floor with the help of a rope.
From the seventh floor?
(Laughs) With the help of my associates.
Were these associates sarkaari?
Which political parties do you support?
I have no interest in politics. For me, the party that stops the spread
of terrorism is good for the country and for me.
Are you are saying that you want to come back but some people
are against you? Is there a threat to your life or is it because you know
you will be arrested?
Yes, I have threat to my life as some of the Mumbai Police personnel are
acting on behalf of Dawood and are being used by him.
What about the underworld’s links with politicians, a subject
on which many movies have been made?
Yes, many politicians are linked but I will disclose their names at the
You must disclose their names since this involves the country’s
I will name them at an appropriate time. Politicians from at least two
political parties have links with Dawood and so does the Mumbai Police.
Name the parties.
Please don’t ask me. I will name them when the time is right.
When do you think, will you be able to come back?
I can’t say anything on this for now.
You have been trying to target Dawood for a long time and claim
to have almost got him once. What’s happening now?
I will reach him. I don’t want to disclose anything now. Everything
will come before you.
Where are you hiding now? What is your location?
can’t tell you that.
Which country are you in?
I am in Europe.