MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: I have said, "No", to Sagem. In
fact, Sagem had approached the Defence Secretary. Defence
Secretary was keen that we trial evaluate. Army put its foot
down. Now, when we do that, it is recorded in the file. How
can I take up a case for your company?
TEHELKA: No…no, sir, if I will now recommend from the
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY (interrupting): No,
no, even if the ministry says. They will ask me, "You have
said 'no' to him then, why are you saying 'yes' now?" You
see, there are questions asked. There's…that's why I said,
this product, please don't talk. Have you got something else
where I can advice you ?
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: The first thing is…show me your
brochure and get it evaluated by me. If it fits the bill,
I'll advice you to go to ECIL with your offer because they
have already got other offers.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: And ECIL is then, is to give me
the full product. You see, you're getting your product through
them. That product has to be integrated into the tank or the...
All that ECIL will take care of. And it will offer as…as a
collaborated product of theirs.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: Because the kind of navigation
system required today is not available. We would have bought
it two years ago had the nuclear blasts [Pokhran] not
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah, yeah…
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: (nodding): These defence
purchases are so intricate, so many people…people looking…
TEHELKA: Yeah, exactly sir, that is true thing. That
is very true.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: Unless…that's what I am saying.
You look after the minister; I get my stuff.
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: Something comes to the Army. You
look after the minister or whomever you want….
General Choudary explains further how the technical evaluation
process goes and at what stage the commission comes in.
He also takes his gift.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: Initial job is mine. To put everybody
who's approached or who has…whom I know is capable, I put
him in the play.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: Then we ask them for technical
TEHELKA: Okay, okay, okay.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: Full specifications, what are the
capabilities of your system, and then see is it matching with
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: What we need. Out of 10, five will
be weeded out when we take the evaluation. Without even seeing
the equipment, based on data that is provided.
[Tehelka journalist coughs]
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: Balance five people, after technical
evaluation, are asked, "Bring your stuff for trials immediately
on no-cost basis".
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: Then you carry your trial and evaluation.
In the trials, out of five, three may get weeded out; only
two may come out winners.
TEHELKA: In short-list?
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY (nodding): Till that
is my job. After that, between the two, who gets it is the
ministry's job. That's on commission [Rubs his index finger
and thumb to indicate that money is involved at this 'commission'
TEHELKA: Okay. In the bureaucrat, what…what they will
play the role? See, because major role will play the user,
that's you…your side.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: That is my side. That's what I
TEHELKA: Now…not…now, not in the bureaucratic or politicians'
[Choudary shakes his head]
[Tehelka journalist slaps his thigh in a show of excitement]
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: Thereafter, it's entirely with
the ministry to call for the commercial…
TEHELKA: And who will decide the PNC and everything?
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: I am a member of that too. To advice…
but it is generally chaired by the joint secretary of the
TEHELKA: Okay, sir it's right information. Now I got
the right information.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: No one individual can assure you.
TEHELKA: I can give a…small gift for you?
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY (smiles): You already
gave me a…
TEHELKA: No, sir. This is my…I am not saying that anything…haan?
[Tehelka journalist turns around and opens his briefcase.
He takes out a wad of rupees and closes the briefcase.]
TEHELKA (getting up to hand the money to Gen. Choudary):
Sir, one lakh.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: (Expressing surprise but accepting
the money anyway): Money?
[He puts money in the front right pocket of his trousers.]
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: This is not…
TEHELKA: No, this is my…my…my…happiness.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: But, please remember, there is
no one individual can help you in this.
TEHELKA: Yes, sir.
MAJ. GEN. CHOUDARY: We can only put in…put in our bit.