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R.K. GUPTA: You know, unless your file is prepared from below, nothing can be done.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: Because up to Joint Secretary and Under Secretary, I have…arrangements.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: Pay money, get work done.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: So from below the users, file must move properly.
TEHELKA: Okay, sir.

R.K. GUPTA: If there are three bids…
TEHELKA: Okay, okay.

R.K. GUPTA: …you are also one of them.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: …then they have the option to select you and reject others.
TEHELKA: Okay, sir.

R.K. GUPTA: But from…somebody should work from below, no?
TEHELKA: Okay. But, sir when…?

R.K. GUPTA: Your work will be done. You will see the result in three-four months. Immediately you will start getting orders.
TEHELKA: Okay, that I have to give that 25 to your hand…
R.K. GUPTA: Yeah.

TEHELKA: …and you will give that…[gestures]. That is not my headache.
R.K. GUPTA: But when your principal comes…
TEHELKA: Haan.

R.K. GUPTA: I'll then take him to our treasurer. Not Brajesh Mishra.
TEHELKA: Okay, okay, okay.

R.K. GUPTA: I don't deal with them because they are bureaucrats.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: This is…
TEHELKA: BJP treasurer?

R.K. GUPTA: …the treasurer and the president.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: I have been asked by…PM only to meet with them and they will get our work done.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: Settle with them…
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA (continuing): …your work is done…we will pay you so much.
TEHELKA: Sir, I don't know how to work out. That is the problem.

Gupta also talks about how they build up a project from Brazil for two-and-a-half years. How they employed Generals and Brigadiers from the Indian Army and spent Rs. 10 lakh a month and how they are confident about getting an order before December 31 [ 2000]. But moving on, Gupta details further how he will handle the project. He is confident of doing the project within 6 months.

R.K. GUPTA: And we take from them. In six months the project will be built up. Complete project will be built up.
TEHELKA: Okay, okay, okay.

R.K. GUPTA: Then at the highest level…
TEHELKA: Hmm.

R.K. GUPTA: Secretary of Defence is the highest boss.
TEHELKA: Okay, okay.

R.K. GUPTA: That "Sir, we are interested in this project. How should we go?" Once you have built ground below. Then he will say, "Okay, I will charge this much. One per cent, one-and-a-half per cent." Then rest you manage below. Everything. Users and other things…. Then when 40 crores…total expense how much is possible…six per cent, seven per cent, eight per cent.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: Okay?
TEHELKA: I got it.

R.K. GUPTA: Then we give…when the tender is given to us…we are the lowest, we have been granted… They'll place orders, open the LC. It is very, very clear.

Gupta admits to expecting commissions of around Rs.100 crore in
the year 2000. He says if the Defence Secretary wants money,
he will give it with his 'own' hands.

R.K. GUPTA: I have direct relations with the Defence Secretary.
TEHELKA: Sir, Naresh Nigam entered the plan and I had some doubts about him.

R.K. GUPTA: Nigam is a small type of person. Give him 10,000, 4,000, plane ticket to Bombay. We oblige him.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: How does it matter? When the game is big, when I am expecting commission this year…myself commission…100 crores…
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: …why should I bother about him, giving him, two, three, four, ten lakhs?
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah, that's all.

R.K. GUPTA: I don't care.
TEHELKA: Okay, okay.

R.K. GUPTA: He's a small timer.
TEHELKA: Now I got it, the picture, sir.

R.K. GUPTA: Defence Secretary when he wants money, I'll give him with my own hand. That, "Sir, this is a cheque worth two crore…" So I'll tell your principal to deposit in his account.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: Hmm.
TEHELKA: That's all.

R.K. GUPTA: And this party people…that they are supposed to settle for two per cent.
TEHELKA: Haan.

R.K. GUPTA: Out of 40 crore order, suppose it's one crore per annum.
TEHELKA: Hmm.

R.K. GUPTA: For one or two crore.
TEHELKA: That also…that also is sanctioned...one crore?

R.K. GUPTA: No, no. Just listen. When the order is with us…LC is with us…then we are paid. Drawdown 30 per cent payment they give, no? Twenty per cent payment. When you get the payment, then you pay them. Which account, they will nominate it. Send. Finished.
TEHELKA: That's all.

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R.K. GUPTA: Now we have beaten everybody. Americans had come, Israelis had come, South Africans had come. European friends.

[Pause]

   
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