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R.K. GUPTA: Our national treasurer is here, Ved Prakash Goyal…
PANT: Ved Prakash Goyal…

R.K. GUPTA (continuing): …said whatever work is there, get it done through him.
PANT: Hmm.

R.K. GUPTA: If you want money, then tell him so.
PANT: They should do…their work. Then they should do it like that.

R.K. GUPTA: You have to give letter.
PANT: If Bangaru Laxman can get it done, then nothing like it.

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Gupta talks about how much West End will contribute to the party fund,
how the commission percentages will be divided, how he finished
both Ranjan Bhattacharya and Brajesh Mishra, Principal
Secretary to the Prime Minister, in one deal.

R.K. GUPTA: This minister is a fool. Bangaru Laxman is a useless fool.
PANT: Yes.

R.K. GUPTA: You tell him this, this work has to be done.
PANT: If Bangaru tells him…

R.K. GUPTA: To whom?
PANT: Who should we ask to do the work?

R.K. GUPTA: We should tell Bangaru that Brajesh Mishra should order from Defence Ministry.
PANT [turning to address tehelka]: Brajesh Mishra, principal advisor to PM, he will order the George Fernandes, Defence Minister, or recommend some of this.

TEHELKA (interrupts): We are…
PANT & R.K. GUPTA: (together) Defence Secretary.
TEHELKA: Sir, we are ready to give the party fund also, no problem. The token also.

R.K. GUPTA: No, no. What is the total cost of the project?
TEHELKA: Sir, total cost of the project is a big one.

R.K. GUPTA: How much?
TEHELKA: Now we are expecting…we will get around 40 crores or 50 crores. Small lot.

R.K. GUPTA: How much is the commission given to the party?
TEHELKA: Tell me, sir….

TEHELKA: I…I will tell you, sir, that nowadays for the binoculars…in the hand-held…

R.K. GUPTA (interrupts): I got some order for Russians?
TEHELKA: Hmm.

R.K. GUPTA: They give 12 to 15 per cent.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: But they take back 50 per cent themselves. The rest is given. Out of that, users, they take one per cent…
TEHELKA: They take two per cent.

R.K. GUPTA: Users?
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: Okay. They will take two per cent. I have given only one.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: And the Defence Secretary will take…
TEHELKA: One per cent.

R.K. GUPTA: One…one-and-a-half per cent. He'll settle with one.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: Plus there are other…
TEHELKA: …bureaucrats…

R.K. GUPTA: …bureaucrats. Joint secretaries, all the others…from where we have to start.
TEHELKA: Yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: I'll get it done for quick.

R.K GUPTA: No problem. First Bangaru will speak to him, I will…speak to …plus we'll also bridge them. Party fund will be at least two-three per cent.

TEHELKA: Okay. Ready to give. No problem.

R.K. GUPTA: I'll get it done. My job.
TEHELKA: Ready to give. No problem.

[Pause]

R.K. GUPTA (pointing to Pant): He's like our younger brother. Whatever he orders, it will be done. Because our relations are not from today. When Mr. Tewari was Finance Minister, since then we know him.
PANT: My son from the US just came.
TEHELKA: Yeah, yeah.

R.K. GUPTA: This my…son won't handle…I will handle personally. Myself.
TEHELKA: Sir, Ranjan also…Mr. Ranjan Bhattacharya….

R.K. GUPTA: But he has been asked to keep off.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: In one deal…I killed Ranjan and Brajesh Mishra both. Got through directly. PM blasted him.

[Pause]

R.K. GUPTA: There are ways to do things. First we will make a plan. Your order is ready?
TEHELKA: Yeah, everything is ready.

R.K. GUPTA: There we're wanting some political…?
TEHELKA: Sir, if a political pressure will be there. So, already, sir, they've short-listed. Sir, and there is a big kickback…is going in the users' side and bureaucratic…

R.K. GUPTA: No, no, just listen. If Brajesh Mishra tells the Defence Secretary, "It has to be done," the Defence Secretary's the last word… [gestures]
TEHELKA: Yeah, exactly.

[Pant and Gupta talk in inaudible tone]


R.K. GUPTA: This Yogesh Narain I went to…
PANT: Haan, Yogesh Narain…

R.K. GUPTA: So that…I…Yogesh Narain, I will get it spoken to by the PM.
TEHELKA: Okay.

R.K. GUPTA: Not PM himself. Brajesh Mishra is PM. After that I'll talk to Yogesh myself. I know him very well. He will want that somebody should tell him. Okay? Then I'll tell Bangaru Laxman…
TEHELKA: Hmm.

R.K. GUPTA: That "Sir, this is a 40 crores worth order. Out of this party will… How many crores will it get?"
TEHELKA: Three per cent. That's very clear.

R.K. GUPTA: Not like this. Give one crore, two crore…don't give them percentage.
TEHELKA: Three per cent.

R.K. GUPTA: They are not bothered about percentage.
TEHELKA: Haan.

R.K. GUPTA: They are bothered about "what we'll get", money!
TEHELKA: Okay.

   
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